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The doctor was the mother. He stood on a block of ice. Oh, the Pembroke fish. It was the cabin of an airplane. He stabbed him with an ice axe. And the horse was deprived of it.

Does anybody have anything? I'm thinking.

Holy shit.

GPC. OK. I want to come into this episode with a good attitude. I haven't had time to download a soundboard. A revenge soundboard.

We sat in silence for a minute.

Okay.

You said, does anyone have anything to start the episode? Sure. I had something. Okay. You had a minute of silence. You know, I brought something in. You had a minute of silence. I brought something to the table. You had silence. So I'm wrong is what I'm being told? That I had a fun, funny and creative way to start the episode?

Adal, please mute it so I don't start swinging. Oh my god.

I don't know which Erin to trust here.

Adal, you know which one's real. One is a sneeze and then a noise of complete despair, and one is me. Adal, look at me. It's Erin.

You know me. One's pleading with me and one is sneezing on mic. These could both be Erin.

Adal, it's me. Look at me. It's Erin. Come on. Your old friend. Remember? Snap.

I think the sneeze one was Erin. My bracelet. I think that was Erin.

Hello everybody. Welcome to Hey Riddle Riddle, a Riddle Puzzles Lateral Thinking podcast, I think.

It's a Riddle Puzzles Lateral Thinking podcast.

Does any of this still apply?

It's a Riddle Puzzles Lateral Thinking podcast. Oh, yeah. I think so. Yeah, and you need not apply. Okay, great. That's my motto.

We started this podcast in 2018 during the great podcast boom, and we've been hanging out ever since. Is everyone okay?

This podcast zooms until one of us busts. That's what I always say.

That's what he always says.

I feel like recently we've been starting every episode with a complete history of this podcast and I don't know why.

Well, I'm trying to remember. I feel like the show has given me such bad brain damage. I have to like show up and be like, this is a Riddle podcast. We're going since 2018. It's safe. They can't hurt me through the screen. I sort of have to do the affirmations when I log on.

I think that we all have to remember that every episode of this show could be somebody's first episode. And that's why it's such an important you know, position for us to be in that we have to say, like, we have to say our names. We haven't said that yet.

John Patrick Coan, Adal Rifai, Erin Keif.

We've said the names. Now people know who we are. Now they can associate our voices, you know. We've told them what the podcast is about. That's great.

Great. That's fair. We're going to admit on mic that our brains are a little jambled scrambled because we just did our review crew episode of the Bee Movie, which you can find over at patreon.com slash hey riddle riddle. So our brains are mush. They're bloody mush that are pouring out of our noses and ears.

Bloody mush is also what they have for breakfast in England. Oh.

You guys. Bangers and mulch. Bangers and mulch. You know how normally every year we go to the Kentucky Derby?

Mm-hmm with our with our big big hats.

That's what I was gonna say. We bring our big big big hats.

Erin, do you still have that big big big hat that I bought you eight years ago?

JPC, I am so glad that you said this because I That hat has not come up in conversation in years. This past Friday with Damon Reister and Elizabeth Andrews They both came over and we decided to watch the new Simple Favor movie together.

Okay.

There's a scene where Blake Lively shows up and she has a gigantic hat. And I said, I have a hat that big. And they said, no, you don't. And I said, yes, I do. And they went, you think you could have a hat that big and we wouldn't know about it? You're messing with us. This is a classic Erin Keif goof. And I went, no, I'm not. I got up, I went into my bedroom, there's a video I will send you of it, and I walk out of my bedroom with the big hat and egg on their face. They doubted me. Can that hat get through doors? I had to sort of push it down.

Yeah, I guess now I want to see the video because I would love to see that hat get through a door.

Erin, didn't you once wear it on a windy day and it blew you all the way to Galapagos?

Well, I actually lived in Chicago and then I was wearing that hat. And then a big wind picked me up and brought me to L.A. I didn't even mean to move here.

And we'll send you your stuff one day.

Thank you so much.

Erin, is that hat not part of your, like, uh... Rotation? Rotation, I was going to say, but is it not part of conversations because you're not wearing it often enough?

Yeah, I don't think I'm wearing it often enough. Like, the two times I've gone on the JoCo cruise, I've thought I wanted to bring it, but you can't. That's a whole suitcase. You know what I mean?

For context here, it must have been seven years ago, and it must have been for, like, Christmas or for nothing. I got Erin a humongous hat that's, like, as big as your body, I would say? Yeah.

It is a torso-sized hat, if you sort of crunch it down.

And I've never seen you wear it and Erin, you know, I would love it if like the next time I came to LA, which is going to be for the live show on August 1st.

How about I bring it to the live show?

I would love it if you wore it or at least around me once so I could just, because I've never even seen it like in full action.

Oh, you haven't seen it in person?

Yeah.

Well, GPC, can you do me at least a very small favor? I would love to do you a small favor. A simple favor, if you will. Bring me to a context where that hat makes sense. Like, I don't want to go into an escape room wearing that hat. Can we at least, like, go to the beach or something?

Oh my god, this hat is so big. Yeah, yeah, I'll take you to the beach, sure. Why not? Well, anyways... Was Blake Lively's hat this big in whatever movie you were watching?

Yes, I will send it to you.

This hat sucks. I hate this hat. It's so fucking big.

Yeah, it's a huge hat.

It's so big, it's upsetting.

You can't see while you're wearing it. You can't, like, drive in the hat. Or talk to anyone. Like, you can't make eye contact with it.

Blake Lively doesn't drive, right?

I don't.

Oh my god, that's such a big hat.

It's a huge hat. I love how forlorn—oh my god, that's such a big hat. Speaking of big hats, we normally go to the Kentucky Derby, but this year we couldn't make it. I'm

You know, like when we have like the Olympics or a track meet or something, the humans are running and they're trying to win and they recognize like to win is the best. Like if I cross the finish line first, that is the best outcome. Do these horses know they're racing or are they simply running or chasing something?

I think they probably know they're racing, right?

Don't, don't they? No, maybe not. No, that's, that's greyhounds. Greyhounds have a little bunny that they, like a little mechanical bunny.

So they're hunting. So that, that might be a good, that's probably a good indicator of who's fastest because they're, they're maxing out to try and catch this food. Yeah. But the horses, I can't tell. I just, I've never watched a horse race, but I just can't tell if their heart's in it or if they know, like, what's at stake.

Other than fear, I feel like horses don't know why they're running fast. They're just like, the guy on me wants to run fast, and so that's what we're doing.

Do they shoot a gun at the start? Do they shoot a gun at the start? They couldn't possibly do that, right? What's a starter pistol? Is that only for human racing?

I'm not going to Google it.

Maybe they do shoot a starter pistol. Because it could be something that scares the horse a little bit.

I'm going to Google it.

If horses are like me, you're not going to get your best out of me if I'm scared. You're going to get your best. When I'm at my best, I have to be made a certain amount of comfort, right? Not too much comfort, but I kind of want to like laze around and do nothing, but I can't be like actively uncomfortable.

Um, they do a lot, they used to do more starting pistols, but now there's like an electronic starting system where a light goes off and there's like a sound, like a popping sound.

Mmm, popping sound.

Yeah, to have it be the sound of a pistol without actually using a pistol. But I used to go to the horse races all the time when I lived in Australia. I used to wear a little fascinator, a little fun hat. I used to have one glass of rosé, and then I would pick the name with the best vibe, and then I would lose about $20. And that's sort of what the horse races are. We had a listener, Brandon, write in and said, Hey guys, here's a game that may make for a fun warmup. I was invited by a friend to watch some horse races and the names of the horses listed out in the program of each race sounded like the lineup for Coachella or Bonnaroo style music festival. I came up with this game, which is just horse or band, and have played it a few times with my partner's family on drives. The entire premise is deciding whether a given name is for a racehorse or a band at a recent music festival. The racehorses, I just imagine racehorses with sunglasses chewing gum on Molly at a music festival. A lot of bangles. Yeah.

A lot of people getting kicked. Give that horse space in the pit. Space in the pit for that horse.

And they gave me a long list, Brandon gave me a long list of horse names and band names, but I have jimble jambled them up. Okay. And so if I made any mistakes, I'm sorry. And if I cut out any of the ones that you wrote, I'm sorry.

I love a jamble jamble. Before we get into this game, one thing that I've been thinking about. So, a racehorse weighs, let's say, 1,200 pounds, right? Conservative. Let's say a jockey weighs, like, about a twelfth of that. Because jockeys are small. I think that they're small on purpose so they don't add, like, a ton of extra weight to a racehorse.

I think it's a coincidence.

It could be coincidence. If we were doing it so that, like, humans were racing, but we wanted to add, like, jockey rules to it, that would mean that we would have to, like, have something that we... that rode, quote-unquote, us, that was around a twelfth of our body weight. So, like, let's say, like, 15 to 25 pounds. What animal do you think you could do the best with that weighs like... Corgi. Next question. Are you wearing it like a scarf? How do you have the corgi hat?

No, no, we're going all out. I'm wearing a saddle. He's wearing a cowboy hat. We're doing this right.

So are you running on all fours? Because I think I could beat you if you're running on all fours and I get just the two legs. And we're gonna win. Maybe like an otter or something.

Well, that's the fun of it is they're slippery and they're cute, but they also, I assume, can claw or bite. So there's, you know, much like the jockeys will kick a horse or whatever to make them faster.

Yeah, they bite each other during the race.

Yes. I want an animal that is going to motivate me, that's not just dead weight, but they're actually giving me, like a skunk or something is going to, I'll be like, oh no, I got to hurry before it sprays me. Like I want urgency versus just, you know, the cutest animal.

I think, I think I'm going to split the difference. I think I'm taking a sloth. Because I think a sloth- Show your math.

Show your math about splitting the difference.

Halfway between an otter and a corgi is a sloth?

Show. Your. Math.

I'm saying halfway between like a cute animal and an animal that is very like practical for like running with. Because I think sloths are like the most Star Wars looking creatures of the creatures that exist on this world. Sure. Like if you saw a sloth and a Wookiee, you'd be like, yeah, they're probably from the same kind of quadrant of the galaxy or whatever. You're not thinking. Sloths have painful nails.

that they use to hold onto-

You would know exactly how much I'm into this sloth dicking its little nails into it.

Alright, I'm sending that to every zoo within 800 miles of you. That audio.

I'm not going to a local zoo to get my fucking rocks off. I'm in Indonesia. Yeah, because you're banned. I'm in Indonesia where the sloths live. I have no idea if there are sloths in Indonesia. I'm assuming there are.

I'm going to need you guys to keep score of your own point total. Just like Jeopardy. Yes, just like Jeopardy. And we'll have Casey add some fun horse racing music and audio layouts to this so it sounds even more fun. Thank you, Casey. All right.

Oh, but Casey, can you take that scream and make it like a, like the ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, but do all that with ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha, like... That's about to be three hours of Casey's life.

He said no. Okay, great.

Casey and I had a conversation like two weeks ago about boundaries, and Casey, I'm so happy that you said no to that request.

Did you tell him that he wasn't allowed to have boundaries? Or were you talking to him about how you want to fuck a sloth and he said boundaries? All right, here we go. Eddie's last.

It's a horse. I think it's reverse psychology to be like, last place and then it's going to win.

Yeah, I feel like if I don't, I know, I don't know if I get a say, but because it's Jeopardy rules, but I also agree. It is a horse.

Awesome rhythm.

Horse.

Yes. Horse. Uncle Waffles.

Band.

Yes.

Wow.

34 Coop.

That's Jared Leto's band. Sorry, that's Jared Leto's horse.

That is a horse. Paris, Texas.

Band. That's a movie.

Whipped Cream.

Horse.

Band. Fuck! Powertrain.

Horse.

Yes. Tale of Us.

Band. A band.

Yes. TV Girl.

Horse. Oh, band, band, band.

It's a band. JPC got it. Mars on Fire.

Band.

That's Jared Leto's horse.

No, it's a horse. Castle Knock.

Damn it! Am I losing a point when I get one wrong?

No.

Okay, cool.

Castle Knock.

Horse.

Yes. Lonesome Stew. Horse. Yes.

Adal, you got it. Wait, which one? Oh.

A Hundred Drums.

Band.

Band. Yes. Adal, you got it. Rutherford. Horse. Yes. I think Adal got that first.

Rutherford B. Hay? Horse. That's a horse.

That's awesome. Minus the light.

Horse. Band.

That is a band. Side by side.

Horse.

It is a horse. Burnaboy.

I got an image of a horse with a sidecar.

That is a band. Dancing Moe.

Horse.

Yes. Adal, you got it. Laptop.

Horse.

No, it is a band. Jazzy Boo.

Horse.

That is a horse, JPC. You're coming back. Vintage Culture.

Thanks for watching.

Horse.

It is a horse. Who made who?

Band.

It's a band. JPC, I think you got it first. Cash Equity.

Band. Horse.

That is a horse and it's one of my favorite names. Elephant Heart.

Band.

Horse. That is a band. Sweet Like Chocolate.

Horse. I think I'm saying more what I want them to be and less of what they actually are.

That is a band. The Breeders.

Band.

That is a band. I think JPC got first.

That would be so great if the Breeders was the name of one horse. Come on. What are we doing? Saurwar. What? What was it?

Saurwar.

Hey Riddle Riddle

We'll do it live. Horse. That is a horse. I think JPC got it first. John Digweed.

Band.

That is a band. Sketchy.

Horse.

Horse. That is a horse, Adal. Great. Hot since 82. Horse. Horse. That is a band.

Island Cruiser.

Horse. Yes. I think JPC got that first. Nightmare, but with no I or A. Horse. That is A.

A horse with no eyes? Crazy.

Final boss.

Erin, if you say band of horses, we're fucked. You're fucked. That sucks. Final boss is a horse.

Yes. Ain't no joke. Horse. Yes. I think you both get a point for that one. That was a true tie. It's Murph.

Band. Band. Yes.

Let Seamus go.

Horse.

That is a horse. I think Adal got it first, but that's also another horse name I love. Don't you forget. J-U. Band.

J-U?

No, that is a horse.

Yeah.

Golden Again.

Horse. Band.

Horse. Song of Shadows.

Band. That's a George R. R. Martin book.

No, that is a horse. Daily Bread.

Horse.

It is a band. Roman Empress.

Band. Horse.

It is a horse. Stick Figure.

Band. Yes. Are all race horses, are they male and female?

I don't know.

Is Roman Empress the name of a male horse? For whatever reason, I thought that the horses were all men who ran. Wow.

Wow, wow, wow.

Do they mean female jockeys ride female horses? Is it truly broken up by gender like this? I don't know, man. I don't know enough about horse racing. I feel like if I did know more, I'd be like, oh, actually, this is pretty dark stuff. It's not good what they do to all the horses.

Erin, to bring it home, can you do band, horse, or boat? Because I feel like a lot of boat names and horse names have overlap.

I wish I had known, because... And then, actually, at the end of this, we'll all pick our boat name off of these. We're almost done.

Mine would be, like, Sopping Wet, or Wet Springs Eternal.

I think mine's going to be Let Seamus Go. All right, sensible move. Horse. There's a horse. The comet is coming.

Banned. Banned?

That is banned. Adal, good job. Uh, Felix DeHousecat.

Horse. Horse.

That is a banned. Fuck. Ropers and Wranglers.

Horse.

That is a horse. Paid in Gold. No! Why would that be a horse? That is a horse. Uh, Blackened.

Horse.

That is a horse. Party Favor.

Horse.

That is a band. Like no other.

If it's blackened, you're overcooking that horse.

That is a horse. Horse girl.

Band. Band.

Yes. Thirsty John.

Band. Horse.

That is a horse. 1999 Odds.

Band.

That is a band. Man Child.

Band. That is a horse.

Yes! Elector.

Band.

That is a horse. No! Braddy.

Horse.

Band. Ghost of Midnight.

Horse.

Yes. Cuban Thunder.

Horse.

Yes. I think Adal got that first. Muth.

Band.

Horse? That is a horse. Bambi.

Horse.

That is a band. TikTok.

Horse. That is a horse.

Samwise.

Horse.

That is a band. Mountain Bear.

Banned. Him.

That is a horse. My Boy Prince.

Horse. Banned.

That is a horse. Black Jade. Banned. Horse. That's a banned. Where's My Ring?

Horse. Horse.

That is a horse. Tamara.

Mercy. Mercy. It's almost over. Mercy. Mercy. Tamara. Banned.

Horse. Mama.

Horse.

Banned. Just FYI.

Thanks for watching.

That is a horse. Gordo. Horse. That is a band. Dr. No-No.

Band.

That is a horse! What is your score?

Dude, there is no way you can keep an accurate track.

It's impossible to have an accurate score.

All you had to do was keep track. Someone will figure it out after listening. You let us know who won.

All you had to do was keep track of me saying band horse 80 times. All you had to do was keep track.

All right, you guys, you have to pick your boat name off of that list. Party of One?

That was one, right?

Yeah, I will.

That's like a very lonely boat name. It has to be a huge boat, too. And it's called Party of One.

Yeah, I'm going to call my boat Nightmare because I don't like being on the water.

It could be a land boat.

Yeah, a land boat.

Okay, great. Let's see. There's a lot of names here. Oh, you know what? I think I'd name my boat 100 Drums. I think that's a good name for a boat.

I like that.

Yeah.

I think I like Dr. No-No as well.

Don't boats have to have like

Nautical names like they have to have like they have to like reference like getting wet or like, you know, oh my god, they do they have to have a woman's name, I believe Right, because they always say she's a beauty.

Dar she blows Isn't that a whale

That's a whale, I believe.

Same thing.

That's a good boat name. Or she blows. I feel like, is that the unspoken rule that it's always a woman's name?

Or it's referenced in a... Yeah, they refer to... They gender boats as women.

I think that people do that with cars, too, don't they? Like, they give cars women's names and things. I don't know.

Nissan. You think there's a woman named Nissan? I think there's a lot of women named Nissan.

And guess what? I see you, and I hear you, and I fucking believe you when you tell me your name is Nissan.

Sonata Rifai. Okay.

Okay.

Okay. Okay. Well, you guys, I'm trying to get the hell through this maybe Molly's science riddle book. We don't know for sure who sent it in, and we're sorry.

That's a good horse name. Have we not had word from Molly? We've used this book a ton of times.

I think we've heard from Molly.

Maybe Molly did not want to be associated with Whether or not this was their riddle book or not.

If any of our listeners happen to own a horse, know someone who owns a horse, and they're looking for a name, maybe Molly's riddle book is for sale. $50 to Erin Keif.

Can you say that but in the cadence of like a guy calling a horse race?

Oh, there comes now around the bend. If you own a horse, or you know someone who owns a horse, there comes now. Oh, they're really racing. Baby Molly's Riddle Book is up for sale.

$50.

Of course, they end Keif by a nose. Baby Molly's Riddle Book.

See, that sounds perfect. I like it. I like it.

Has anyone ever named a horse like Erin Keif by a nose? Because I feel like saying by a nose is something that they have to say anyway.

Maybe there's like a no, a Dr. No-No list.

This feels like, that sounded like a TMZ headline. Erin Keif buys a nose.

It's just me in a trench coat in a back alley trying to buy a nose. That's because someone played got your nose with me and they never put it back. No.

It's the same system that they use to do license plate submissions and gamer tag submissions where they're like, I'm pretty sure this is a slur with one letter changed. This one does not make it through. We can't have a horse that's called, and then Casey just obviously insert. Just do a previous slur that I've said on this show.

Oh God.

Previous slur is a good horse name.

Is it? Slur. What is the quickest way to make oil boil?

Oil boil. Oh, to add a B?

Yep. And aren't we having fun on this Riddle podcast?

Something with like acne or something like that, like the oil in your face becomes a boil if you don't wash your face.

We got the answer, JPC. Smile, smile, smile. You like this podcast?

I do want to see a quick scene. Erin and JPC, you are two medieval soldiers. You are trying to storm a castle and somebody from on top of the castle has just dumped a little bit of oil on you. Like it was the last remaining dredge of their oil and a little bit got on you and we're seeing that now.

I smell like popcorn, I do.

Fuck is this? It's not even hot. It's not even hot!

It's not even hot! Give it a minute. Give it a minute.

It's him, up there. Look, look, he's got a little, he's got a little bottle of finishing olive oil. Yeah. With a little spout at the top and he's just drizzling it on us.

It's the green, the trendy green grazer one that's in everyone's kitchens these days.

It's like the thick glass olive oil bottle. Hey, it's not a garnish! But it is. They have sizzle and drizzle, Groza does. Now, we know what you're using, but we're invading your castle. We're gonna come in and we're gonna, you know, P and R. I don't want to say, you know what we're gonna do. It's the medieval times. We're gonna have our way.

Speak for yourself.

Alright, Doug and I didn't really discuss what we'd be doing once we get inside the castle.

I guess we have to- That's expensive oil it is! And what do you mean give it a minute to heat up? That makes no sense!

It can't heat up on our bodies. Also, yeah, stop wasting that. That's plunder. We were gonna plunder that.

So, sorry, did you say that you're a PR firm? You said PR?

Don't make him repeat it. Are you sprinkling pink Himalayan sea salt on us?

Yeah. That's a finishing salt. We're not finished yet. We haven't even breached the gate. Nah, you're cooked.

You're cooked. Give up. The salt signifies you're cooked.

I can see you trying to sprinkle basil on us but it's getting caught up in the wind it is.

I don't even think he's wearing an official like soldier's uniform. He's got a big white puffy hat and a big white coat on. Are you a cook?

Could I convince you two to lay down in that sous-vide machine?

That does look awful comfy.

It does. Also, am I a cook?

I'm a chef. Look at the hat. Every fold in this hat represents a way I can make eggs. It's three folds.

It's three folds.

Scrambled, hard-boiled, raw.

Alright then. Well, if you're the one who gets it.

So everybody gets one fold. If I were to get that hat, I would automatically get one fold. No.

You're telling me that there's no soldiers, no guards left, that they had to send out the chef?

It's just me, everyone else is dead, and I'm hungry. I've eaten all these guys, haven't I? Oh, um, maybe just seal this castle off.

Maybe we'll just go tell the king we don't want this one.

Yeah. It's just a bunch of dead people in one, and I gotta say, this is not shaming the way you look. You just look really well fed.

Thank you.

It looks like maybe you ate everyone like quicker than you needed to eat everyone.

Yeah, I thought there'd be a few days where I was like, oh no, human flesh, but I took to it immediately. Well, we're going out then.

All right.

All right, just gonna hammer up a sign that says, well-fed cannibal insider.

Tell armies to come here, please. Send them here. No. Only our enemies. Only our enemies. Five stars, please.

Five stars? That's pretty good for a chef. I don't think your castle has five stars in this entire country.

How do you count atoms?

One. Is this like an Adam and Eve thing? No. Oh.

Is this like the atoms inside your body, like the building blocks of the universe or whatever? Yeah, it's that kind of atom.

With a microscope?

Carefully? How do you count atoms? By splitting them? Remember this is an annoying, jokey riddle book. You don't split hairs? How do you count atoms? Bit by bit? Or like... By carbon dating them?

What's one of the words that is in the riddle?

Count?

No.

Adams.

Yep.

Adams. Do.

So just add, put that back in.

Adam. Adam together. Yep.

You Adam up. I'd like to see a scene. Adal, you are a science teacher and you're trying to connect with your students, played by me and JBC, through jokes.

So, a covalent bond, covalent, more like codependent, it's going to glom on, and then your complex carbohydrates, carbohydrates? Everyone, carbohydrates? Oh, carbohydrates, Mr. Henry? Yeah, carbohydrates, what is this, Gatorade? Make comedy legal again, am I right?

Mr. Henry, I'm having a really hard time following the lesson, and I know that I'm not doing very well in this class, and I'm really trying to improve, but it's hard when you keep making these detours.

Detour will begin in just a minute. Just like a German docent. Detour! Well, I guess a German would be Zetour.

Zetour will begin in just a moment. Well, then that doesn't apply anymore, then. If you added a Z, it's a Zetour.

It's a slant joke. It's a slant joke. Like slant rhymes.

Mr. Henry, wasn't, wait, it's Thursday. Wasn't last night your big open mic thing at the Chuckle Hut?

How'd it go? Yeah, how'd it go, Mr. Henry?

It was at Chuckleberry Fins, not the Chuckle Hut.

The Chuckle Hut has banned me for doing boring humor, is that what they call it? That's like one of the mildest ways to get banned from a place. Yeah, yeah. It actually went very well.

I heard it's because you drank too much.

I'm a little column A, a little column B. I did a loose five. And you fell asleep a lot on stage in the middle of your set because you were one of those people that drinks a depressant and just gets really sleepy and down. Let me do the jokes I did last night for y'all.

How's everybody doing?

Okay, so it was mostly crowd work. Can we get back to learning?

My wife is on her periodic table.

Do they know you're a science teacher?

No.

Okay.

So wait, what's the end of that joke? That's the setup?

Well, somebody calls me sexist from the crowd and then I say, fuck you.

But I say, F you, and then someone goes, that's not on the periodic table. And I go, A you, but that's gold.

You're really counting on someone calling you sexist. What happens if they don't?

A lot of my jokes are supposing that the audience is hyper-familiar with the periodic table. Why? Huh? Why would you assume that? I was told when I took improv classes to play to the top of my intelligence and to treat the audience as if they're geniuses. So I make five- Why'd you take improv class if you were going to go into stand-up? So that I don't have anxiety when I'm on stage.

Oh, the bell rang. We didn't do anything again today, Mr. Henry. Wow. Oh, I'm gonna gather up my stuff.

Dissect the pig at home.

What? No. No, Mr. Henry.

And don't launch into a thing about how the pig is all of our dad's or whatever, Mr. Henry. It's stale territory, and our dads don't appreciate it. Okay.

This is all between us, right?

This all stays between us? No, Mr. Henry. No, Mr. Henry.

By walking out the door, that's a physical contract that you won't tell anybody what happens in here.

Mr. Henry.

They'll know, Mr. Henry. We have the AP test in two weeks and none of us know anything about chemistry, so we're all gonna fail.

This is a chemistry class?

I hope so, because he's been doing periodic table stuff.

Chemistry?

What are you two, dating?

Yes.

Don't answer that. Please don't answer that.

Okay.

Yeah, you're not allowed to ask and you shouldn't want to know.

We'll see you tomorrow, Mr. Henry. Please get some sleep tonight.

No, you won't. Tonight's my last. Tonight's my last. Mr. Henry, don't put that on us. We don't want to hear stuff like that.

Mr. Henry. Scene. How do engines hear?

How do engines hear? They rev. They revert to their hearing.

Horsepower?

Horse ears? Piston. Piston. They piss.

Remember how this is stupid.

I'm doing stupid. Erin, we're trying.

We're trying stupid. Be dumber.

How do engines hear you turn them on?

It sounds like something else.

Muffler. Unmuffler.

The vroom vroom.

Who would build a train? Or build a building?

Build a train? An engineer?

Yeah. Oh, by using their engineer. By using their engineer. What does the mad scientist add to a bucket of water to make it weigh less?

Piss. Hole.

What was that? It's a hole, yeah. Did you say piss?

No.

Okay.

JPC thought it.

Well, now I did. It's like, don't think of an elephant, right? Like, now I'm thinking of piss. Now I'm thinking of piss. Yeah.

How do you know when a big wave wants to meet you?

It'll big wave at you?

Yeah, a big wave at you, or like it flags you down. It crashes into you? It crashes into you? Beach?

No. Yeah. What's a kind of wave?

Like a light wave, sound wave?

No, like it exists in the ocean.

A hundred foot wave. A tidal wave? Yes.

The tidal wave.

The tidal wave.

Fun. I'd like to see a scene. No, no, I want to see a scene. No, I would like to see a scene.

I'm seeing a scene. You called the last scene. Erin, you and Adal are on the beach. You are a couple. And Erin, you keep trying to leave and get into the ocean because you think that the ocean is trying to meet you.

Right.

Oh, look, another seashell. This is so cool. There's so many.

Are you seeing what I'm seeing?

Uh, no.

Okay. I knew this would happen.

Oh, the jellyfish just washed up?

No, I knew that I would get on one TV show and then my life would turn into this. Do you see the ocean moving in?

Kim, you were a background actor for Dexter Origins. I wouldn't say you were on a TV show.

Michael C. Hall sort of looked at me.

Yeah, but I think that's because you were yelling his name and they had to cut and then... Oh my gosh, I love it when my husband's my biggest hater.

I love that.

I know I'm so proud of you. I'm just saying. I'm just saying you can't tell people you're starring in a TV show.

Well, all I'm saying is that you're gonna have to deal with having a famous wife now because look the ocean is getting closer and closer and closer. It's obviously obsessed with me and wants to say hello.

Is this your first time on a beach? Yes. Because that's going to keep happening. Whether you're here or not, I think the water keeps kind of lapping at them.

My therapist said this would happen. Ever since I was on Dexter New Blood Origins, my therapist said that you were going to get jealous and you were going to tell me that all this success is just in my head and that I'm crazy. My therapist said this was going to happen.

She's a huge fan of Dexter New Blood Origins.

You heard that, right?

What was that? Is that your new ringtone? What was that?

What the fuck was that? No, that was the ocean coming in, giving a little wave. Okay, I should sign something. I'm going to sign this shell and throw it in the ocean.

Kim, I did hear that.

What was it like meeting Michael C. Hall?

Oh my gosh, thank you for asking. He was so sweet, and I was such a big fan of Six Feet Under, and he let me ask a bunch of questions about it. He was really, really nice. And not as scary as Dexter, thank goodness. I'm going to sign this seashell and throw it in the water.

Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's washing over your toes. What are you doing?

Yeah, I'm going to go in there and put my butt in the water. Hey, what the fuck? What? It's just the water. I can just put my butt in. Kim, don't. I want the water.

Don't put your butt in the ocean. The ocean's hitting on you.

I have to pee.

Is that your butt or is that the woman who played Dexter Morgan's sister? What's her name?

What the fuck? Oh, she's married to an Avid brother. What is her name?

No, she was married to Michael C. Hall on the show, but she played his sister, but then they got divorced.

I know, but now she's married to an Avid brother.

What? Oh, the ocean doesn't hear about shit until so long after you're having it.

Yeah, she's married to an Avid brother. Isn't that awesome?

Yeah, I mean, I love it when people find love after, you know, a tumultuous marriage.

Oh, you do love it when someone finds love after. You know what? I'm going to go pee in the water.

I just don't believe that if you're married to a person, that has to be the person that you're with because everybody makes decisions when they're young.

Yeah, don't let your husband keep you from meeting the love of your life, huh? What the fuck?

I mean, look, I'm cold, so I don't really have to worry about it in that same way, but... Right.

Is this like a Moana grandma thing?

I'm peeing in the water. Don't.

I've been peeing in the water. So you are pretty caught up on TV.

All right, let's... Hey, Erin, let's take a freaking break. You're right.

You're right.

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What's another sand thing that we can do here?

Oh look Sandy's here Is he like is he like dressed as a dog or We've never gracefully landed into this segment, so I thought I'm gonna be a battleaxe From a month ago You know what you could have done

This is for the last one I just realized is, my name actually has and right in the middle of it. You could have called me S&Y. But we're past that. We're past that. We're on to a new game. But hi guys. It's me, I'm S&Y. Hey Timmy, we love when people say, here's what you could have done. Is that a good improv technique?

I'm still learning. S and Y, I got a question for you. Your name is Sandor, you go by Sandy, but have you ever had like... Oh shit, I gave away... We'll just bleep out... Casey, bleep out his real name. We can't have people know his name.

No, it isn't real.

Have you ever had a nickname that wasn't... Because you already kind of have like a natural nickname.

Sandy.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, my full name is Shondor. It's pronounced Shondor. It's Hungarian. It's a pretty common name in Hungary because it's like a derivation of Alexander, like Xander or Alex here. So Shondor and then nicknamed Sandy because it's right there in the spelling. Have I had other nicknames? Is that your question?

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Turdface, fuckhead. I got picked on a lot at summer camp. Interesting.

Do you still go by fuckhead? Because that's gonna get confusing with three other fuckheads on the podcast.

It's really funny. No, but I recently referenced, I said, no, like, no, good question. Thank you for the thoughtful answer to that question. I made a reference to the Sweepay bit on SNL recently, and they had no idea what I was talking about. Do you remember that bit, Nicolas Cage?

No. Oh yes, the naming your baby thing. The one that you can't get made fun of, yes.

Right, right. So a friend of mine recently had a baby, and we were talking about baby names and how many of them trigger lots of opportunities for bullying on the schoolyard. And I referenced this sketch where a couple, Nicholas Cage, and I want to say Victoria Jackson, but I can't remember. That sounds right to me. Coming up with names for their unborn child. And every name she throws out, he's like knocking down because it's like, oh, the kids are going to call him this or whatever. And they're really outlandish stretches of the name. But in some sense, it's very true. And then finally, after a couple of minutes of this, and she's really exasperated, there's a knock on the door and he opens it and it's a delivery man. And he goes, I have a package here for Asswipe Johnson. And he goes, it's a sweeping!

Was part of that in that sketch that they give the kids some like Icelandic name that is like hard to pronounce because they're like, well, no one can make fun of this name. I don't know if they ever landed on the name. I remember the heightening in that sketch getting very, very outweighed by shit.

It's very good, yes. But as they say, your favorite seasons of SNL are when you were 15.

Not me, I love the new shit, baby. SNL 15's only getting better!

No, I haven't watched it in 10 years.

I don't know, did you have nicknames? Yeah, I feel like I had a lot of nicknames. I mean, Adal calls me Japes. We call Erin the Battleaxe. But what struck me, Sandy, is that you have like a natural nickname. So it's like, I very rarely meet someone who has like a pre-programmed, like, I don't know, pre-programmed is the right way, nickname.

You mean just a shortening of my name? Baked in or? Yeah, when we had kids, we picked names that would have, that were either really short, that they didn't need a nickname, or it was like that. So my son's name's Ezra, you just call him Ez, and Zella, which is Zel.

Damn, I've been calling him Ezra, I just saw him the other day, I didn't know I was supposed to be calling him Ez.

No, you should not, that's just strictly for me, you do not have permission.

Ez, Ez Dispenser. I'm gonna get it. Now that I know I can't have it, I'm gonna get permission. Next time I see Ezra, I'll be like, hey, let me in, man, let me call you Ez.

Easy. Short and easy is so cool.

Yeah.

That's awesome. Yeah. Sandy, what games do we have today? I brought a new game. This game is called What's the Difference? What's the Difference? I'm going to give you a set up between... Go on. Did I interrupt you? I'm set. No, please. You were right to interrupt. I'm going to give you a set up between two things. Those two things can be described with words or phrases that are opposites What's the difference between moving ahead of a car on the highway and a tear in your Well, one is a pass and one is a run. Pass and run being opposites in a different context, which is in this case football, but I promise these are not all sports related. So pass and run are both are opposites of each other. Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yes. If we were answering that one without your help, would we have to get to these are terms in football or no? Here's What's the difference between a baked potato at Ponderosa and a non-functioning appliance? Whoa. Ponderosa. I haven't thought of Ponderosa in years. This question is sponsored by Ponderosa. Pond-a-gro-sa. Is it specifically a big potato salad? Because they did all you can eat steak, right? I think this would be true at Applebee's or Chili's or Oh, cheesecake factory or... Is it because it's microwaved? No. Is it? No. Served in tinfoil, butter and chives. Outback Steakhouse, probably. Side. It's a side. Side. Really at your own home, too. It's fine. If you put a lot of stuff on the... Stuffed. It's loaded. Loaded. Loaded. Go on. And what was the other one? Yes, that's correct. Non-functioning appliance. So what's the opposite of loaded? Overloaded. Locked. The opposite of loaded. Loaded could have another meaning.

Locked. Loaded. Wealthy.

Full. Correct. Wealthy. So the opposite there, which also means a non-functioning appliance. Broke. Broke.

Oh my God.

Loaded and broke. Does that make sense?

Yes. Does it make sense? Not yet to me, but I am happy just to be ordering drinks at the bar today.

All right. What's the difference between something unspecific and something very personal? Vague. And I'll tell you that I'm happy to tell you the category of the other context if you want. Yes, please. This is military. Military. Something unspecific and something very personal. Broad. Keep going. Very close to that word. Broad. In meaning. Military ranks. General. General. General. And something very personal. Major. Private. Private. These are ranks in the MimblePibri. Wow.

General and private. Okay.

This is hard. I love it. A great bowling move and the thing you use to achieve it. Strike. Ball. There you go. You got it. Strike and ball, which are opposites in? Baseball. Baseball. What's the difference between lies and a grizzly? Fibs and bears. One of those is right?

Uh, lies, bears, and truth?

What's another word for lion? Bear is right. So what's the opposite of bear in a totally different context? Clothed. Covered. Covered. Whoa, Erin.

It's another animal. Lions and tigers. Lions! Lions! No, that's nothing, JPC. That's nothing.

What means lion?

Thanks for watching.

is bull.

Stock market terms. Which is for lie and bullshit. And this is the markets. This is something that is like second nature to me. Day trading. Buy sell, buy sell. Jim Cramer, buy sell.

Hey guys, I'll buy and sell.

Oh, that's your second Seinfeld thing this episode. Wow. Wow. It really is. I was driving earlier today and there was a bus ad that had the four Seinfeld people on it from the era that they were doing Seinfeld. And I was like, how much of a bummer is it that if you're these people, which I don't care about any of these people, but you have to go around and see yourself when you were in your prime everywhere. They won't let you just be you anymore. You have to just constantly be seeing yourself from 30 years ago.

You're ripped into the past every day. I think the money helps with that.

You'd think so, but for Jerry Seinfeld, I don't think it does. I don't know why it doesn't, but for him specifically, it doesn't seem to. He seems to be very upset about, like, college students.

Yeah.

And the other guy's upset about something completely different, but we're really not going to get into that guy.

Costanza. What's the difference between a couple going through a rough time and an organized closet?

Hmm. Um, okay. A patchy, patch, patchy relationship.

Separation. Rocky. Clean street. Very close. Very close with Rocky. It's a specific place.

Tumultuous. Bumpy.

Farther away. You're farther away.

Back to Rocky. Rocky.

Rocky Road. Rocky. Rocky and Bullwinkle. Bullwinkle. Well, if you say, if a couple is going through a rough time, you could say, it is rocky. Rough patch.

Rough patch.

Rocky patch. A three-word phrase that has the word rock in it. Between a rock and a hard place. No, that's more than three. It is shaky. It is. Oh, hard rock hotel. Rock the boat. Rock the boat. This relationship is on the rocks. On the rocks. And these are ways to get a cocktail. Cocktail. On the rocks and neat. What's the difference between to get naked and to get an acting gig? Book to book it? No. No, but similar. Another word that means to get an acting gig. If you get a gig or you get a part, you, the verb is work. Cast, you. Eat, you eat. It's another, you can eat now. It is also to succeed in a punch. If you have a punch.

Land.

Land. And then to get naked. To get naked. It's the opposite of land. Sea. Ocean. See everything. I see everything. Nope. The context is in travel. The opposite of landing is flying. Take off. Oh, take off. Take off. Oh, take off. Oh, fuck. Nice one. God, these are hard. I'm not just stupid, right? That can't be, right?

It could be that. This feels like a trick question. Yeah.

I mean, both two things can be true at the same time.

I'm not asking for validation. I'm asking for my friends to tell me the truth. Is it possible I'm stupid?

What's the difference between a toque and a podium?

You stand behind a podium. Stand is right. Oh. Oh, these are Stephen King novels. Stand and shining. What's the opposite of to stand in a certain context?

Slay.

Think of other contexts where you use the word stand. Or you can think of words that mean to... Capitulate. To puff on a joint. Puff.

Smoke. In the smoke, baby. Take a hit.

Yes, that's right. Hit and stand are opposites in? The Billboard Top 100. I don't know.

Hit? Oh, poker or something.

Very close.

Blackjack.

Blackjack. You take a hit or you stand? Good job. These are very hard. Yeah. I'm just saying that to myself.

He's also rubbing his nipples, I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it.

Yeah, he gets off on us struggling.

He's saying these are very hard, he's just saying it to himself.

You like that, Sandy?

I made you a pervert for the internet.

I made you a pervert for the internet.

I'm going to say no, I'm going to say I don't like it. I would like it. My kink is other people mentally struggling. I mean, look, that's not far off.

It's not really, it's like a professional kink. Sandy has made his kink his job.

No one's going to solve my puzzles anymore.

I'm sorry. This is the opposite of promotion. Always a pleasure to have Sandy on the podcast. He's very good at making riddles. Yeah.

All right. What's the difference between something never seen and something done by an expert? And the context here is food. Rare and well done steak. Wow. Great job, Adal. All right, let's go back to sports. Sorry. What's the difference between a piece of pizza and a 90s Spielberg film? Slice and... I can't fuck a pizza. Jurassic Park. But you can fuck a Jurassic Park.

I guess so. You can...

Do we get this? Slice? Schindler's List. Saving Private Ryan. What?

What did I say?

In what context?

The opposite of slices.

Schindler's List. Early 90s. Hook is right. The slices are opposites. In? Golf. In golf. Apparently. I didn't know that either. What's the difference between a slow, god damn with the sports, a slow base runner and my clothes win clean?

Folded.

Out. And pressed, pressed and out. Out is right.

What's the opposite of out in a different context that the opposite of which is, could also be used to describe clothes. Clean clothes. Fresh. Specifically where they are. Dresser. Closet. Out and away. The opposite of out. What's the opposite of out? Out closet. That's right. Out and in the closet. In the closets. My clothes are in the closets when they are not out.

Somebody has a nice place with closets for his clothes? Wow, Brag.

These are concepts explored in the movie The Birdcage. What about, what's the difference between a high rate of speed and doing great in modern slang? Velocity.

Thriving.

Very modern slang. High rate of speed simply means a single word that means, that's right, it's fast.

So what's the opposite of fast? Fast, and then something that means doing good in modern slang.

Welcome back to What is the difference between a shuttlecock and a classic Hollywood actor? Do you know what a shuttlecock is? No. That's what you use in badminton.

There's another word for it.

You know? Oh, yes. Birdie. What is that called? Birdie. It is called a birdie. And what was the other half of the question? A classic Hollywood actor. An actor from old Hollywood.

Erin, you should know this.

You're like kind of like a... I'm afraid to tell you that birdie and this other word are also sports.

Yeah. Is that a golf thing?

A birdie is what? A two under par? It's one under par. Eagle. Eagle is two under. So what's the op? What's one over?

Bogey.

Oh Humphrey Bogart. Humphrey Bogey.

Wait, did they call him bogey? Oh yeah.

Lauren Bacalda.

Dang it, I truly, you guys said that so casually that I had never heard that before. Yeah, me neither.

And that's why in Top Gun we get the term you've got a bogey on your left.

Adam, that cannot be true. This is the year of no Google on the podcast, Andy. So we are unable to look into anything that we say.

What makes you say I was using Google? I just have memorized the dictionary. Isn't that a possibility? Isn't that an option?

Honestly, I would fully believe it.

All right. How about this? A couple more. How about, how about this? Cheese in an olive and cheese on a pasta. And you're going to hate this one. Pimento and Parmesan. Cheese on an olive is stuff. Blue cheese. Blue is right. And then cheese on. Blue can be used to describe what? Sadness. Sadness, but it's not bad. Another way we use blue. Or think about cheese on a pasta. On pasta. Cheese on a pasta or a pizza? Shredded. I know, I keep saying uh, thinking I'm about to say pizza, but I do mean cheese on pasta. Cheese on pasta. What'd you say, Erin?

Like shredded or?

Shredded is close. It's not shredded. Grated. Torn. Grated. Shaved.

Grated.

It is grated, but now think about that answer slightly differently. Pronounce it slightly different and you get the opposite of blue. Grated. Nope. Graded. Graded. Graded. Put a piece of punctuation in there.

I'm afraid to say anything because I don't want to sound fucking stupid. Because I don't know the answer here. I don't know the answer to this.

G-rated. Blue and G-rated. So dirty. And these are types of humor. Blue humor and G-rated humor. No. Melting. Melting like Indiana Jones. I didn't tell you.

It was so hard to think about.

Cheese on a pasta. All right, last one. Here we go. Yes. What's the difference between a shitty situation and another shitty situation?

Whoa.

One sucks and one blows. You got it. Wow. Hey. Hey.

Oh, whatever. The first one I was able to get. Anything to plug, Sandy.

I hope that's your new stand-up set, this whole thing you just did. Yeah, I'm still plugging away at making Rattles. Rattle.quest. R-A-T-T-L-E.quest. It's my daily word game. It's gotten a lot of good feedback, a lot of fun, a lot of daily solvers. It's a word ladder game where you are transforming words into other words using the clues that I give you.

My promotion for that, Sandy, is if you also have found some of the other daily word games that you play are a little too easy, this one I found significantly challenging. And it's challenging in a very enjoyable way. It's very rewarding when you get it right. I would say try your first one and then go back and play previous days to really get the hang of it. Because then by the time the next day rolls through, you'll have a way better understanding of how to play it.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's totally fair. Yeah, it's tricky to get started. And by design, the game gets easier as you start solving the clues. So by the end of the day's ladder, you only have a few options for which clues. But when you start it, you've got like 14 options for what clue could work next. And it's about trial and error. But it's very satisfying to go through and knock off the ones that work and solve your way to the end. Thanks for playing. Thanks for making it. Yeah, it's been fun. I made it for Enigma Arch, which was this March month daily puzzle challenge. But I was like, Oh, what if I could turn this into a game that everyone could play?

Hey, Sandy, just just this is not a note for that. But just say that you made it for your wife because you love your wife, and then you'll be able to sell it to the New York Times for $18 million. Just FYI.

Oh, that's the piece I was missing.

Yeah, it's like you made it for your wife. And it's like a very special reason. And like people really respond to that.

Right. And her name is Rad. So I called it Raddle.

Okay, great. Great. And just yeah, for future reference, that's that's how you sell it.

Okay. All right. This is great. Thanks. New York Times. That's totally the truth. Erin, you're a little bit more into being a battle axe. Are you ready to kick Sandy off?

So Sandy, we made a bed for you if you want to stay over. What the fuck? Erin. What the fuck? Do you have any Caleb Meal tea? Of course, yes. Stay as long as you want. Adal, get out of the bed. That's Sandy's bed now.

Damn it.

Erin, you are the rattlest.

Oh, thank you.

Wow.

Thank you, thank you.

All right, Sandy, off with you. Bye. Oh, Sandy, I'm gonna miss you, is what I would say if you were still here. Oh boy, what are we plugging, everybody? Erin, what do you got? You got something coming up that you gotta plug?

Check out Quality Time. It is a true variety show that I host here in Los Angeles. Also, we're looking for a puppeteer for an upcoming show, so if you are a puppeteer who lives in the Los Angeles area, reach out to me. But you can follow us, Quality Time, on Instagram. Adal, anything to plug?

Check out our Patreon, patreon.com slash heyriddleriddle. We also have an upcoming tour. We're absolutely over the moon about it, so check out our tour dates, grab some tickets. We're doing a 10-city tour, so we should be coming hopefully somewhere near you. JPC, anything?

Heyriddleriddle.com slash live and just, you know, find your city on that list. Nothing for me, just come and see us on tour. Some of these tickets are selling out like way, way faster than we thought they would. So there is a possibility that we add late shows in some of these cities if they sell out too, too quickly. But if you're on the fence about grabbing your tickets, even though some of them are a little ways off, I would do it ASAP if they're not already gone.

Also, please don't be mad at us for not coming to your city. Chances are the theaters in your city ghosted JPC. That's probably why we're not going.

Ghost of JPC.

JPC, do you have a review to read or a plug?

I did my plugs.

You don't want to read it?

Could you make up a review? I want to get out of here. We got to go. We got to go. This episode's too long.

Okay. Jupiter.

Erin forgot the one word.

I was stalling.

Starring Erin Keif and John Patrick Coan. Casey Tomey did the editing. How are you parents of the future?

Erin forgot the one word.

I was stalling. I was trying to piss JPC off. And even now, Casey's including this to make the episode even longer. That'll make JPC so mad.

People love bonus content. They love long form bonus content.

It's still happening right now.

Yeah.

Adal, anything to add? Okay.

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